Interview 9
We’re moving along beyond the description of the cocoon. That’s great!
I already mentioned that there is a system of levels that allows petals to reveal themselves. The first petal was created by a system of rings and energy webs which was constructed by the First Nagual. It is described in great detail in my new book.
This structure is the closest to the Dark Sea. The Dark Sea is actually not dark. It glows brightly, an infinite gathering of petals which assemble into one. They are called ‘dark’ only because people don’t want to see energy directly, they try to create something familiar from everything unknown. So many people described it as a dark sea covered with an overcast sky. It’s a syntax maneuver.
Above the Dark Sea there is shining emptiness, filter of glowing emptiness. When one observes it, one can see sort of microscopic particles but it is impossible to concentrate on them as they are impersonal. We exercised some ingenuity in order to overcome this emptiness as it is so rarefied as even the energy of the petals seems very heavy. Many individual petals partook in this process on overcoming. They sort of threw each other up, jumped upon each other … released extracted fibers from themselves to create a pile upon which we climbed. When we finally entered this shine there were also individual Doubles and petals who were curious of what is there beyond this emptiness. We discovered two streams. One of them was glowing like a welding electrode, and young, new petals came out of it, and the other was an inward stream of the dark nurturing energy. I already told you in one of the previous lectures that when I was following the dark stream where the bright shining petals were coming from, many other individual petals managed to penetrate inside, and on the other side we discovered an enormous ring of power.... on one side of which there was a pinkish web standing on four supporting legs. The web was tiny and the ring was enormous. This web, when I peeked inside, contained multiple universes. I’m curious by nature, and I just inserted my attention over there as if I put my face there. I just wanted to have a peek, but I dove into it entirely and the Universe that was before it happened... had changed. It sort of, turned over an extra notch due to my stupid curiosity. And in this tiny web there were enormous quantities of memory. This web bore the memory of the whole Universe within it. When this web opened ... a different reality appeared. I realized that I can do absolutely nothing without returning to the former reality... from the moment when I peeked into this incredible structure. I had to step in and out of the structure of the web until I found the right moment, where reality resembled the initial one. Later when I again reached this area, I didn’t peek into the web, I dove straight into the middle.
There is an area that is called shining emptiness. In reality it is a barrier of perception. When I passed through to the other side, I discovered a sort of structure. It subsequently began interacting with me. Not as a being interacts with another being, but as a mighty power interacts with a being. It is a completely different interaction… impersonal... although with a sense of humour. It was very friendly and interacted almost as a separate being, but a very large being. In my box of terms there was a name, the ‘Most Powerful Twist in the Universe’. That is why I called it this way. In the end, after multiple visits I started perceiving it as kind of a zeppelin on legs.
I already mentioned that there is a system of levels that allows petals to reveal themselves. The first petal was created by a system of rings and energy webs which was constructed by the First Nagual. It is described in great detail in my new book.
This structure is the closest to the Dark Sea. The Dark Sea is actually not dark. It glows brightly, an infinite gathering of petals which assemble into one. They are called ‘dark’ only because people don’t want to see energy directly, they try to create something familiar from everything unknown. So many people described it as a dark sea covered with an overcast sky. It’s a syntax maneuver.
Above the Dark Sea there is shining emptiness, filter of glowing emptiness. When one observes it, one can see sort of microscopic particles but it is impossible to concentrate on them as they are impersonal. We exercised some ingenuity in order to overcome this emptiness as it is so rarefied as even the energy of the petals seems very heavy. Many individual petals partook in this process on overcoming. They sort of threw each other up, jumped upon each other … released extracted fibers from themselves to create a pile upon which we climbed. When we finally entered this shine there were also individual Doubles and petals who were curious of what is there beyond this emptiness. We discovered two streams. One of them was glowing like a welding electrode, and young, new petals came out of it, and the other was an inward stream of the dark nurturing energy. I already told you in one of the previous lectures that when I was following the dark stream where the bright shining petals were coming from, many other individual petals managed to penetrate inside, and on the other side we discovered an enormous ring of power.... on one side of which there was a pinkish web standing on four supporting legs. The web was tiny and the ring was enormous. This web, when I peeked inside, contained multiple universes. I’m curious by nature, and I just inserted my attention over there as if I put my face there. I just wanted to have a peek, but I dove into it entirely and the Universe that was before it happened... had changed. It sort of, turned over an extra notch due to my stupid curiosity. And in this tiny web there were enormous quantities of memory. This web bore the memory of the whole Universe within it. When this web opened ... a different reality appeared. I realized that I can do absolutely nothing without returning to the former reality... from the moment when I peeked into this incredible structure. I had to step in and out of the structure of the web until I found the right moment, where reality resembled the initial one. Later when I again reached this area, I didn’t peek into the web, I dove straight into the middle.
There is an area that is called shining emptiness. In reality it is a barrier of perception. When I passed through to the other side, I discovered a sort of structure. It subsequently began interacting with me. Not as a being interacts with another being, but as a mighty power interacts with a being. It is a completely different interaction… impersonal... although with a sense of humour. It was very friendly and interacted almost as a separate being, but a very large being. In my box of terms there was a name, the ‘Most Powerful Twist in the Universe’. That is why I called it this way. In the end, after multiple visits I started perceiving it as kind of a zeppelin on legs.
In the picture there are stretched ribbons of intensely white and intensely black. They are very powerful. The pink web was on the edge and what I perceived as a large ring was one of these rings. What I saw from above as a single ring was an assembly of black and white rings with levels, with different densities. This structure generates petals.
Moreover, it described in minute details how it does it. And probably if we were in an elevated state of awareness now I could retell you that. But I can tell you that it works like a generator and a transformer. It collects energy and transforms it. And all other levels that are situated above it including this twist and the petals themselves was planned by the Primary Nagual to create all this.
In relation to the petals and the Mightiest Twist in the Universe, there are no religious contexts. The goal that the Primary Nagual set while creating this whole structure is to send energy that will remember itself and will remember the Nagual itself. This is the primary goal.
The petals are not alike but in the whole Universe there are basic principles of creation. This basic principle is the principle of ‘copying’, changes in what was copied and increasing the amount of copies. The copies have to change themselves, be different from each other. The Primary Nagual is an attempt by the nurturing dark energy to become conscious of itself, an instant attempt to become aware of itself.This attempt, of the Primary Nagual is lightnings, slow coloured lightnings, reminiscent of ribbons. But when it had an idea to create something reminiscent of itself and the darkness, it first created copies of itself and then gave them assignments to create different things beside copies... the levels.
Therefore every level required transformation in order to move through it. One needs to change something in one’s self in order to conform more to one stream of energy or another, different types of energy. Thus, the task for the petals to return... is also a task to change itself. And when you succeed in accomplishing this task, (and I have no doubts that this time will surely come). It’s not even a question of “if”. This time will necessarily come. I’ll tell you more, this time has already arrived. There is another here and now where not only single petals, but whole Dark Seas have assembled on the other side of the Primary Nagual. They are all there now. You don’t have to be a member of any group. We are already connected as all the information that we gather in our travels, we first pass it to the Dark Sea of Awareness and it transmits it to every petal that is in it.
What we are doing at this very moment, we create the pre-conditions so the human beings can make some sense of it all on their way to jump to unknown.
The agreement for cooperative action was made on the level of Primary Nagual.
The Earth has already changed. For me it has already changed. I perceive it as different. Everything has changes all the time. And people are destined to change together with an environment that is changing, with the changes that occur in the Dark Sea of Awareness. It is indeed happening now.
I don’t read newspapers, don’t watch news. There are many heavy emotions and depressions which I don’t like. It doesn’t bring any joy. In that sense I live 100 years ago. I come out on the street and the neighbour tells me that there is war somewhere in Ukraine and I say wow, who won?
So I don’t sit in front of the screen. But I can tell you what is happening from my point of view. I’m not going to discuss politics though.
What is happening is replacement. The 3rd Density level is being squeezed out of the world we live in. The 3rd Density level is very aggressive, warlike, very grounded, and people who represent it constantly live like on a battlefield. I noticed from my childhood that many fights that happened between my peers happened for a reason very unclear to me. They start with foolish name-calling and finish with serious injuries. I myself am a sportsman and practice martial arts, but that is different. It brings happiness and pleasure and not hate and irritation. So what happens now in many parts of the world is squeezing out of a 3rd Density level. It fights with itself, kills itself and finds various methods to extinguish itself from the world where human beings currently dwell. Same thing happens here in Israel where people constantly fight with each other. These are unpleasant events and they happen here, very near where I am. One day I found an ingenious way not to participate in it. Many years ago I found that around the cocoon there are two fields: upper and lower fields. The upper field is lighter and brighter and lower is slightly darker and denser. And these two fields are slightly moving against each other. And the cocoon is being rubbed by them slightly. As I already mentioned, there are numerous fibers around the cocoon and these two plates while rubbing the cocoon pull these fibers out. And in the end, around age 70 and even sometimes 30 we become divisive. They say, “We know these are good and those are bad”. Also many social experiences depend on the fluctuation of these rubbing plates. So why I’m telling all this.
There are fibres and ribbons of energy that surround the cocoon. These are the same fibres that compose the entire Universe. They envelop the cocoon. And if these fibres are woven a certain way into a web surrounding the cocoon you can disappear from the social sphere. All social pressure dissipates along this web. This web is from rather wide fibres that weave you out of society. So I weave myself off of the aggressive environment. I choose the pattern that suites me.
There are side effects to this though. And you may not like them. For example you come to a restaurant, you sit at the table and no one is noticing you. Or, I’ll remind our translator that many years ago, he visited my house. I was sitting on my hunkers; he was standing next to me and didn’t notice my presence. I was curious what will happen if I activate this web; he was standing at a distance of stretched arm and didn’t see me. You are welcome to use it.
It is the same process as to get rid of the Flyer, as the Flyer is the one who stalks and preys on you. If you stop your inner dialog and enter this weave in which our cocoons weaved in and fixed on this planet you become invisible.
All that is in this planet is related to this planet. The Earth contains many more levels than human beings. It contains 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th levels. Besides, the Earth uses 48 energetic ribbons of awareness. The living creatures that we know as physical organisms all exist on only a single ribbon.
In our case, we have a unique opportunity as the human beings now have access to one more density level, the 4th level ...and even may cross to 5th level. It happens right now as we speak. Now we can accomplish this jump, from 3rd to 4th and right after to the 5th Density level. It’s wow!
Just don’t mix density levels and ribbons.
Human cocoons contain the energy of other ribbons in small amount or large amount; such as energy of inorganic beings.
Our ribbon has a rather flat shape and occupies a relatively small central part of the cocoon. Most of the cocoon is the energy humans don’t usually use as the creation of our habits is here. The central part is extending outward. It belongs to the world of Doubles. It belongs to the spectrum where the Doubles perceive us as human beings. Here, on the sides, there is an enormous area of inorganic energy. Usually humans do not venture there. They are afraid of it. They only feel comfortable within this strip. But if you enter there as a dreamer or a seer, you will discover incredible creatures. But we can travel there, not just to this area but also outside of the cocoon boundaries. Nagual Carlos Castaneda in his books describes meetings with inorganic creatures. When Don Juan pulled out some scary monster to scare him he used these areas.
In the beginning dreamers have to get there in order to learn to use other ribbons of our planet. These areas are rather scary for beginners... as these strange, unfamiliar creatures... their energy is unfamiliar, very calm and clear. It makes you calm and assertively indifferent. In the books of the Nagual Carlos Castaneda there are mentions about ancient shamans who left for this part and there they transformed themselves according to rules and structure of that energy… It is what it is. Everyone makes his or her own choice. If you at least once unite with the Double and the energy body... on the path of the incredible journey back to the Primary Nagual, you will find it rather boring digging in the dark thicket of your own cocoon. But new seers are always very intrigued with all these mysteries. Some find interaction with them very entertaining.
Regarding the being that helped me in my explorations, I don’t know who else have ever had the opportunity to meet … although we made an effort in order to create copies of such a being for other explorers. I mean on the level of Doubles. I’ll try to explain who this being really is.
The primary form in which petals of the Double assemble is a kind of twist. They assemble like sheets of paper that stick together in rows, which in turn weave into a twist. You can also check an animated movie we made. It’s depicted pretty well there. We also started from such a twist. When we began to realize that it is not really a human, or some piece of a beard of randomly bundled threads, we discovered that these are chains of petals and there are hundreds of them. And that is a single cocoon. Hundreds of petals packaged, a hundred or two hundred, I’m not sure but they are very many.
And we learned to travel towards this point, towards the Dark Sea of Awareness using this twist but not changing it: the 1st Attention entered into the dreaming body and all this entered into the Double, into this twist. And in this way we travelled. Rather cumbersome and confusing, but we loved doing it. We said, wow! We can do it! We could travel along the blue of the Dark Sea of Awareness, to see it as dark, bright... travel along the shining emptiness above it and think that it is sort of a sky above the Dark Sea. And in one of these trips, I saw that next to me there was a completely alien thing – the Disk. It consisted from the same petals as us, but was packaged in a completely different way. It consisted of many more petals than me or my companions. I was startled. And I wanted to know what is it. And it replied to me (not in words). It suggested, “it’s better that I show you how to see that Dark Sea of awareness as it really is. You come to it but you don’t see it. You have no idea what you actually perceive. It said, “you have to straighten your twisted chains of petals and turn them around”. And I untangled them. I just did it the same way as it suggested me to do. And when these petals-twists passes the abstract middle, certain line, they just disjoined and turned into glowing amber petals. I’ve shown it to you already. I turned into these glowing balls with the field around them. My display reminds me of a BBC movie where they show the Universe expanding as inflating a balloon.
And then I saw a boundless field of petals and I was one of these petals. I wasn’t petals anymore, I was a sensation between them... and all this was wholesome, conscious, cheerful and vibrating. And I became curious, “what to do? Where am I at?” I listened to the vibrations of petals but I didn’t have anything to listen with, nothing to perceive with. But I perceived all this perfectly. And I thought, “I need to do something? What should I do? I need to help the Earth!” I had to bring to it some new energy. I didn’t quite know what kind of energy and what is possible to bring from these vibrating fields of energy. But still, I launched a command to help the Earth. It looked like black fibres that pierced through all the petals. They passed the call: “Help the Earth, help the Earth, help the Earth”. It moved somewhere to infinity as there was no end seen to the multitude of petals and lost somewhere where there was no more notions of Planets… or of ‘helping’. The units there no longer understood what this all is about, “some unidentified entities somewhere below”. So I returned this black steam of my will back where I wasn’t. I was also curious how to return from this place. And then the knowledge came to me that I just need to command the petals to return again into a twist. And on my way back some of the vibrating petals surrounding me became curious. In human language it would sound like this: “Oh, what is this thing twisting and turning here?” And I answered, “it’s me”. “Can we join you?” “Sure”. So my ‘twist’ now contained more petals. But I still managed to twist myself into a loop.
I was doing all this not alone but with my girlfriend. She also accomplished the same maneuver and came back the same way. And we asked the Disc: “what’s next? Now we owe you”. And it answered “No, no! But you can help me. And since then, we interacted frequently. It showed us many interesting things that I would have never learned otherwise. For instance, while travelling through levels and densities we transform. We constantly adjust to the energy which we touch or enter. But not the Disc! It just expands to the size of the place and blends in easily. It also taught us all how to become discs. I described in my first book how our party starts rotating together with the Disc in order to help our Double create a giant portal so human Doubles could enter it. So, this structure works quite well. Besides, during the crossing (of 2012) we helped several groups to create similar copies, to form the disc and cross this way. In total, around 15 discs were created then. So, in time there will be even more. Even now there are groups that engage discs in a similar way like us. During the time of crossing there were many Doubles that couldn’t accomplish it, the Disc expanded to a degree that it contained many thousands of Doubles and carried them, helping them to accomplish the crossing by carrying them over. So that’s in short about the Disc.
The experience with the Disc is what happened to our party. I cannot say what would have happened with someone else.
We all have an energy body.
The Disc is a peculiar feature of our party. The other groups don’t have it yet. There isn’t yet a working model which they could start using. Several groups in 2015 had created a prototype; more changes have to occur and more time to pass for others to have such a device.
As we learned to become the disc we were displaying it to others; we helped others to copy themselves as a disc. Moreover the parties themselves need to recognize that it occurred. It probably takes time, I don’t know how long.
We are in touch with Don Juan, meet quite frequently; to be more precise, it is a being that was Nagual Don Juan a while ago. We meet with a certain aspect of his energy.
I can explain to you where the Disc appeared but the question is whether you can accept what I say.
Disc is us, our party that came to Nagual, accomplished certain transformations and evolution, and came back here where it met itself in order to push itself forward and to be born as one of the members of this party. Until now I haven’t heard of such phenomenon but each Nagual’s group has its own peculiarities. For example, in the group of Nagual Carlos Castaneda there was the Death Defier who united with Carol Tiggs - not really an ordinary occurrence. They studied and practiced techniques that the Death Defier taught. Their entire lineage was under the influence of this wonderful creature. So every party has its own specific features.
I never met Carlos Castaneda in person. I met his amazing awareness in dreaming though. First time it was in 1993 when I was a beginner-dreamer and I badly wanted to meet Carlos Castaneda and I found him in dreaming. I found him in the valley of the yellow dunes, in the 2nd Attention. He was walking... accompanied by three women. Later I learned their names but then I didn’t know who they were. They stepped forward right away. The only thing unclear to me was why I’m flying there and he is walking. I made several circles around them and descended in front of them. The women stepped forward right away to protect him, to protect the Nagual. I certainly did not try to attack them. I fell to my knees and started crying that I know what I need to do, I will do it all by myself. They looked at me with wonder and bewilderment as they were walking and I was flying. I don’t know what was the reason for it. They also didn’t understand why I’m flying. It scared them. They thought that I’m one of the inorganic creatures that so neatly disguised itself. Maybe it’s true… Subsequently we worked a lot together in dreaming, visited seminars. But that was a different period of my life. In dreaming I met with all practitioners, not only with Carlos Castaneda, Nyei Murez or some other members of his group but also with old shamans. That was, in linear time 1999 or 2000: I then led a group of Tensegrity in Israel. In dreaming, those who they call witches, Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner-Grau and Carol Tiggs, they gathered all practitioners of Europe and America and offered them to do magical passes.
And I saw how the groups disappear one after another, sort of clip off, disappear in the darkness around. In the end only our group remained that went on and on doing magical passes. Then, the class of Israeli practitioners consisted of about 40 people and all remained in place. And the women: Carol, Florinda and Taisha spoke to us and said that’s enough, they saw what they needed and from then on they will be our patrons. And since then we started receiving information directly from them, we met in dreaming, controlled conscious dreaming with real objects… We crossed 2 enormous round hills and descended on a steep path to the house of shamans. There we were greeted by Florinda. The first time, we wanted to go up right away to the second floor but she said, “Stop now”, and pointed to the rather small boxes for recapitulation that were lined along the walls of the lower floor. It seemed to me that they were upholstered with blue material. Later I learned that this is the colour of infinity. There we recapitulated. I recapitulated there for several years. The volume that I could recapitulate in dreaming in one night equalled the volume I could recapitulate for a whole month being stranded in a box in the 1st Attention. There were other practitioners over there, not just our group but also a group of so called instructors of Tensegrity. They were allowed on the second floor earlier than us. Then one time Florinda Donner-Grau appeared in dreaming and said, “The boxes? Today there is no need to enter the boxes. Come upstairs.” We came up. There we were greeted by a group of older Shamans. They were very happy that we finally passed this period of turning your head back and forth. We were happy too. Then, everyone was approached by the corresponding warrior to him or her. I was instructed by several of those wonderful beings. I received knowledge from Florinda Donner-Grau, from don Juan Matus, and from the Death Defier. We were taught how to concentrate and shift attention in different ways. The Death Defier also taught us the knowledge he acquired in his long, long life... how to interact and turn into various strange creatures. It was entertaining.
I remember well that Don Juan showed us the tracks of time, how they move. We stood at the certain place, probably in the desert in Mexico and he showed how time moves above the desert. There were sort of ribbons. I didn’t yet know then what those ribbons were, but it was amazing and mesmerising. I could stop time, turn it around. They also taught me interesting techniques that only Naguals were taught.
A Nagual had to create some kind of bundle of energy, energetic mechanism. Into it there were weaved ribbons belonging to members of the party of the Nagual (not any practitioner). It’s a bundle of energy that emanates nagual. Then, the Nagual brings his or her companions or members of his or her party and they should to create special slots for themselves. They also weave their energy into the bundle that Nagual has created. In principal, all their lives, members of the Nagual’s party come to this place (I’m not talking about the place you can come with your legs) and tightly package their energy into this bundle. And when the time comes for the Nagual to leave this world and his cocoon turns into a ribbon, all this tightly packaged bundle untangles with force and shoots the group members into the third attention following the Nagual. So the result is that there are long ribbons of the party members and they shoot the first and second attention into third attention. Without having this knowledge the Nagual cannot accomplish his or her role to the end. This is exclusive information (not any more). But unfortunately this knowledge will not help or hurt too many people. There is an opinion among the Tensegrity practitioners that they will believe in something, do several passes with their hands and they’ll shoot right away somewhere into infinity. I don’t know… It should be done differently. But it is probably due to religious knowledge that is put into people’s minds over hundreds of years, “Believe, do so and so, and you will be rewarded”. This is not the way it works. In our case, we transform the bundle into the disc. But Don Juan used such a bundle when his time to leave came. The ribbons untangled instantly and they were launched. He had shown me how it worked. I believe that instructor named Myles (I don’t remember his last name) received the same teaching through same teachers as myself. Him and I discussed certain thing there in dreaming. He also should remember about this bundle. I hope so.
After we underwent these lessons we were told we can leave but I really liked clarity and precision of elevated state of awareness that this group of beings created and I tried to stay in the house for as long as possible. My attention was vanishing and tried to sweep the floor or move some item in order to keep my attention on these rooms. Florinda was always laughing. She said, “You just like Taisha. She also likes to sweep floors.” Sometimes she said I was like her as she also liked doing it. They all the time said something. I feverishly tried keep my attention as I really liked to stay there. At certain moment ,though, I was told, “Ok, you learned everything now. Get out of here now” And I still sometimes meet Don Juan, or to be more precise, one of the aspects of the energy that once was Don Juan, and we do things together. But one lecture is not enough to describe it.
Moreover, it described in minute details how it does it. And probably if we were in an elevated state of awareness now I could retell you that. But I can tell you that it works like a generator and a transformer. It collects energy and transforms it. And all other levels that are situated above it including this twist and the petals themselves was planned by the Primary Nagual to create all this.
In relation to the petals and the Mightiest Twist in the Universe, there are no religious contexts. The goal that the Primary Nagual set while creating this whole structure is to send energy that will remember itself and will remember the Nagual itself. This is the primary goal.
The petals are not alike but in the whole Universe there are basic principles of creation. This basic principle is the principle of ‘copying’, changes in what was copied and increasing the amount of copies. The copies have to change themselves, be different from each other. The Primary Nagual is an attempt by the nurturing dark energy to become conscious of itself, an instant attempt to become aware of itself.This attempt, of the Primary Nagual is lightnings, slow coloured lightnings, reminiscent of ribbons. But when it had an idea to create something reminiscent of itself and the darkness, it first created copies of itself and then gave them assignments to create different things beside copies... the levels.
Therefore every level required transformation in order to move through it. One needs to change something in one’s self in order to conform more to one stream of energy or another, different types of energy. Thus, the task for the petals to return... is also a task to change itself. And when you succeed in accomplishing this task, (and I have no doubts that this time will surely come). It’s not even a question of “if”. This time will necessarily come. I’ll tell you more, this time has already arrived. There is another here and now where not only single petals, but whole Dark Seas have assembled on the other side of the Primary Nagual. They are all there now. You don’t have to be a member of any group. We are already connected as all the information that we gather in our travels, we first pass it to the Dark Sea of Awareness and it transmits it to every petal that is in it.
What we are doing at this very moment, we create the pre-conditions so the human beings can make some sense of it all on their way to jump to unknown.
The agreement for cooperative action was made on the level of Primary Nagual.
The Earth has already changed. For me it has already changed. I perceive it as different. Everything has changes all the time. And people are destined to change together with an environment that is changing, with the changes that occur in the Dark Sea of Awareness. It is indeed happening now.
I don’t read newspapers, don’t watch news. There are many heavy emotions and depressions which I don’t like. It doesn’t bring any joy. In that sense I live 100 years ago. I come out on the street and the neighbour tells me that there is war somewhere in Ukraine and I say wow, who won?
So I don’t sit in front of the screen. But I can tell you what is happening from my point of view. I’m not going to discuss politics though.
What is happening is replacement. The 3rd Density level is being squeezed out of the world we live in. The 3rd Density level is very aggressive, warlike, very grounded, and people who represent it constantly live like on a battlefield. I noticed from my childhood that many fights that happened between my peers happened for a reason very unclear to me. They start with foolish name-calling and finish with serious injuries. I myself am a sportsman and practice martial arts, but that is different. It brings happiness and pleasure and not hate and irritation. So what happens now in many parts of the world is squeezing out of a 3rd Density level. It fights with itself, kills itself and finds various methods to extinguish itself from the world where human beings currently dwell. Same thing happens here in Israel where people constantly fight with each other. These are unpleasant events and they happen here, very near where I am. One day I found an ingenious way not to participate in it. Many years ago I found that around the cocoon there are two fields: upper and lower fields. The upper field is lighter and brighter and lower is slightly darker and denser. And these two fields are slightly moving against each other. And the cocoon is being rubbed by them slightly. As I already mentioned, there are numerous fibers around the cocoon and these two plates while rubbing the cocoon pull these fibers out. And in the end, around age 70 and even sometimes 30 we become divisive. They say, “We know these are good and those are bad”. Also many social experiences depend on the fluctuation of these rubbing plates. So why I’m telling all this.
There are fibres and ribbons of energy that surround the cocoon. These are the same fibres that compose the entire Universe. They envelop the cocoon. And if these fibres are woven a certain way into a web surrounding the cocoon you can disappear from the social sphere. All social pressure dissipates along this web. This web is from rather wide fibres that weave you out of society. So I weave myself off of the aggressive environment. I choose the pattern that suites me.
There are side effects to this though. And you may not like them. For example you come to a restaurant, you sit at the table and no one is noticing you. Or, I’ll remind our translator that many years ago, he visited my house. I was sitting on my hunkers; he was standing next to me and didn’t notice my presence. I was curious what will happen if I activate this web; he was standing at a distance of stretched arm and didn’t see me. You are welcome to use it.
It is the same process as to get rid of the Flyer, as the Flyer is the one who stalks and preys on you. If you stop your inner dialog and enter this weave in which our cocoons weaved in and fixed on this planet you become invisible.
All that is in this planet is related to this planet. The Earth contains many more levels than human beings. It contains 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th levels. Besides, the Earth uses 48 energetic ribbons of awareness. The living creatures that we know as physical organisms all exist on only a single ribbon.
In our case, we have a unique opportunity as the human beings now have access to one more density level, the 4th level ...and even may cross to 5th level. It happens right now as we speak. Now we can accomplish this jump, from 3rd to 4th and right after to the 5th Density level. It’s wow!
Just don’t mix density levels and ribbons.
Human cocoons contain the energy of other ribbons in small amount or large amount; such as energy of inorganic beings.
Our ribbon has a rather flat shape and occupies a relatively small central part of the cocoon. Most of the cocoon is the energy humans don’t usually use as the creation of our habits is here. The central part is extending outward. It belongs to the world of Doubles. It belongs to the spectrum where the Doubles perceive us as human beings. Here, on the sides, there is an enormous area of inorganic energy. Usually humans do not venture there. They are afraid of it. They only feel comfortable within this strip. But if you enter there as a dreamer or a seer, you will discover incredible creatures. But we can travel there, not just to this area but also outside of the cocoon boundaries. Nagual Carlos Castaneda in his books describes meetings with inorganic creatures. When Don Juan pulled out some scary monster to scare him he used these areas.
In the beginning dreamers have to get there in order to learn to use other ribbons of our planet. These areas are rather scary for beginners... as these strange, unfamiliar creatures... their energy is unfamiliar, very calm and clear. It makes you calm and assertively indifferent. In the books of the Nagual Carlos Castaneda there are mentions about ancient shamans who left for this part and there they transformed themselves according to rules and structure of that energy… It is what it is. Everyone makes his or her own choice. If you at least once unite with the Double and the energy body... on the path of the incredible journey back to the Primary Nagual, you will find it rather boring digging in the dark thicket of your own cocoon. But new seers are always very intrigued with all these mysteries. Some find interaction with them very entertaining.
Regarding the being that helped me in my explorations, I don’t know who else have ever had the opportunity to meet … although we made an effort in order to create copies of such a being for other explorers. I mean on the level of Doubles. I’ll try to explain who this being really is.
The primary form in which petals of the Double assemble is a kind of twist. They assemble like sheets of paper that stick together in rows, which in turn weave into a twist. You can also check an animated movie we made. It’s depicted pretty well there. We also started from such a twist. When we began to realize that it is not really a human, or some piece of a beard of randomly bundled threads, we discovered that these are chains of petals and there are hundreds of them. And that is a single cocoon. Hundreds of petals packaged, a hundred or two hundred, I’m not sure but they are very many.
And we learned to travel towards this point, towards the Dark Sea of Awareness using this twist but not changing it: the 1st Attention entered into the dreaming body and all this entered into the Double, into this twist. And in this way we travelled. Rather cumbersome and confusing, but we loved doing it. We said, wow! We can do it! We could travel along the blue of the Dark Sea of Awareness, to see it as dark, bright... travel along the shining emptiness above it and think that it is sort of a sky above the Dark Sea. And in one of these trips, I saw that next to me there was a completely alien thing – the Disk. It consisted from the same petals as us, but was packaged in a completely different way. It consisted of many more petals than me or my companions. I was startled. And I wanted to know what is it. And it replied to me (not in words). It suggested, “it’s better that I show you how to see that Dark Sea of awareness as it really is. You come to it but you don’t see it. You have no idea what you actually perceive. It said, “you have to straighten your twisted chains of petals and turn them around”. And I untangled them. I just did it the same way as it suggested me to do. And when these petals-twists passes the abstract middle, certain line, they just disjoined and turned into glowing amber petals. I’ve shown it to you already. I turned into these glowing balls with the field around them. My display reminds me of a BBC movie where they show the Universe expanding as inflating a balloon.
And then I saw a boundless field of petals and I was one of these petals. I wasn’t petals anymore, I was a sensation between them... and all this was wholesome, conscious, cheerful and vibrating. And I became curious, “what to do? Where am I at?” I listened to the vibrations of petals but I didn’t have anything to listen with, nothing to perceive with. But I perceived all this perfectly. And I thought, “I need to do something? What should I do? I need to help the Earth!” I had to bring to it some new energy. I didn’t quite know what kind of energy and what is possible to bring from these vibrating fields of energy. But still, I launched a command to help the Earth. It looked like black fibres that pierced through all the petals. They passed the call: “Help the Earth, help the Earth, help the Earth”. It moved somewhere to infinity as there was no end seen to the multitude of petals and lost somewhere where there was no more notions of Planets… or of ‘helping’. The units there no longer understood what this all is about, “some unidentified entities somewhere below”. So I returned this black steam of my will back where I wasn’t. I was also curious how to return from this place. And then the knowledge came to me that I just need to command the petals to return again into a twist. And on my way back some of the vibrating petals surrounding me became curious. In human language it would sound like this: “Oh, what is this thing twisting and turning here?” And I answered, “it’s me”. “Can we join you?” “Sure”. So my ‘twist’ now contained more petals. But I still managed to twist myself into a loop.
I was doing all this not alone but with my girlfriend. She also accomplished the same maneuver and came back the same way. And we asked the Disc: “what’s next? Now we owe you”. And it answered “No, no! But you can help me. And since then, we interacted frequently. It showed us many interesting things that I would have never learned otherwise. For instance, while travelling through levels and densities we transform. We constantly adjust to the energy which we touch or enter. But not the Disc! It just expands to the size of the place and blends in easily. It also taught us all how to become discs. I described in my first book how our party starts rotating together with the Disc in order to help our Double create a giant portal so human Doubles could enter it. So, this structure works quite well. Besides, during the crossing (of 2012) we helped several groups to create similar copies, to form the disc and cross this way. In total, around 15 discs were created then. So, in time there will be even more. Even now there are groups that engage discs in a similar way like us. During the time of crossing there were many Doubles that couldn’t accomplish it, the Disc expanded to a degree that it contained many thousands of Doubles and carried them, helping them to accomplish the crossing by carrying them over. So that’s in short about the Disc.
The experience with the Disc is what happened to our party. I cannot say what would have happened with someone else.
We all have an energy body.
The Disc is a peculiar feature of our party. The other groups don’t have it yet. There isn’t yet a working model which they could start using. Several groups in 2015 had created a prototype; more changes have to occur and more time to pass for others to have such a device.
As we learned to become the disc we were displaying it to others; we helped others to copy themselves as a disc. Moreover the parties themselves need to recognize that it occurred. It probably takes time, I don’t know how long.
We are in touch with Don Juan, meet quite frequently; to be more precise, it is a being that was Nagual Don Juan a while ago. We meet with a certain aspect of his energy.
I can explain to you where the Disc appeared but the question is whether you can accept what I say.
Disc is us, our party that came to Nagual, accomplished certain transformations and evolution, and came back here where it met itself in order to push itself forward and to be born as one of the members of this party. Until now I haven’t heard of such phenomenon but each Nagual’s group has its own peculiarities. For example, in the group of Nagual Carlos Castaneda there was the Death Defier who united with Carol Tiggs - not really an ordinary occurrence. They studied and practiced techniques that the Death Defier taught. Their entire lineage was under the influence of this wonderful creature. So every party has its own specific features.
I never met Carlos Castaneda in person. I met his amazing awareness in dreaming though. First time it was in 1993 when I was a beginner-dreamer and I badly wanted to meet Carlos Castaneda and I found him in dreaming. I found him in the valley of the yellow dunes, in the 2nd Attention. He was walking... accompanied by three women. Later I learned their names but then I didn’t know who they were. They stepped forward right away. The only thing unclear to me was why I’m flying there and he is walking. I made several circles around them and descended in front of them. The women stepped forward right away to protect him, to protect the Nagual. I certainly did not try to attack them. I fell to my knees and started crying that I know what I need to do, I will do it all by myself. They looked at me with wonder and bewilderment as they were walking and I was flying. I don’t know what was the reason for it. They also didn’t understand why I’m flying. It scared them. They thought that I’m one of the inorganic creatures that so neatly disguised itself. Maybe it’s true… Subsequently we worked a lot together in dreaming, visited seminars. But that was a different period of my life. In dreaming I met with all practitioners, not only with Carlos Castaneda, Nyei Murez or some other members of his group but also with old shamans. That was, in linear time 1999 or 2000: I then led a group of Tensegrity in Israel. In dreaming, those who they call witches, Taisha Abelar, Florinda Donner-Grau and Carol Tiggs, they gathered all practitioners of Europe and America and offered them to do magical passes.
And I saw how the groups disappear one after another, sort of clip off, disappear in the darkness around. In the end only our group remained that went on and on doing magical passes. Then, the class of Israeli practitioners consisted of about 40 people and all remained in place. And the women: Carol, Florinda and Taisha spoke to us and said that’s enough, they saw what they needed and from then on they will be our patrons. And since then we started receiving information directly from them, we met in dreaming, controlled conscious dreaming with real objects… We crossed 2 enormous round hills and descended on a steep path to the house of shamans. There we were greeted by Florinda. The first time, we wanted to go up right away to the second floor but she said, “Stop now”, and pointed to the rather small boxes for recapitulation that were lined along the walls of the lower floor. It seemed to me that they were upholstered with blue material. Later I learned that this is the colour of infinity. There we recapitulated. I recapitulated there for several years. The volume that I could recapitulate in dreaming in one night equalled the volume I could recapitulate for a whole month being stranded in a box in the 1st Attention. There were other practitioners over there, not just our group but also a group of so called instructors of Tensegrity. They were allowed on the second floor earlier than us. Then one time Florinda Donner-Grau appeared in dreaming and said, “The boxes? Today there is no need to enter the boxes. Come upstairs.” We came up. There we were greeted by a group of older Shamans. They were very happy that we finally passed this period of turning your head back and forth. We were happy too. Then, everyone was approached by the corresponding warrior to him or her. I was instructed by several of those wonderful beings. I received knowledge from Florinda Donner-Grau, from don Juan Matus, and from the Death Defier. We were taught how to concentrate and shift attention in different ways. The Death Defier also taught us the knowledge he acquired in his long, long life... how to interact and turn into various strange creatures. It was entertaining.
I remember well that Don Juan showed us the tracks of time, how they move. We stood at the certain place, probably in the desert in Mexico and he showed how time moves above the desert. There were sort of ribbons. I didn’t yet know then what those ribbons were, but it was amazing and mesmerising. I could stop time, turn it around. They also taught me interesting techniques that only Naguals were taught.
A Nagual had to create some kind of bundle of energy, energetic mechanism. Into it there were weaved ribbons belonging to members of the party of the Nagual (not any practitioner). It’s a bundle of energy that emanates nagual. Then, the Nagual brings his or her companions or members of his or her party and they should to create special slots for themselves. They also weave their energy into the bundle that Nagual has created. In principal, all their lives, members of the Nagual’s party come to this place (I’m not talking about the place you can come with your legs) and tightly package their energy into this bundle. And when the time comes for the Nagual to leave this world and his cocoon turns into a ribbon, all this tightly packaged bundle untangles with force and shoots the group members into the third attention following the Nagual. So the result is that there are long ribbons of the party members and they shoot the first and second attention into third attention. Without having this knowledge the Nagual cannot accomplish his or her role to the end. This is exclusive information (not any more). But unfortunately this knowledge will not help or hurt too many people. There is an opinion among the Tensegrity practitioners that they will believe in something, do several passes with their hands and they’ll shoot right away somewhere into infinity. I don’t know… It should be done differently. But it is probably due to religious knowledge that is put into people’s minds over hundreds of years, “Believe, do so and so, and you will be rewarded”. This is not the way it works. In our case, we transform the bundle into the disc. But Don Juan used such a bundle when his time to leave came. The ribbons untangled instantly and they were launched. He had shown me how it worked. I believe that instructor named Myles (I don’t remember his last name) received the same teaching through same teachers as myself. Him and I discussed certain thing there in dreaming. He also should remember about this bundle. I hope so.
After we underwent these lessons we were told we can leave but I really liked clarity and precision of elevated state of awareness that this group of beings created and I tried to stay in the house for as long as possible. My attention was vanishing and tried to sweep the floor or move some item in order to keep my attention on these rooms. Florinda was always laughing. She said, “You just like Taisha. She also likes to sweep floors.” Sometimes she said I was like her as she also liked doing it. They all the time said something. I feverishly tried keep my attention as I really liked to stay there. At certain moment ,though, I was told, “Ok, you learned everything now. Get out of here now” And I still sometimes meet Don Juan, or to be more precise, one of the aspects of the energy that once was Don Juan, and we do things together. But one lecture is not enough to describe it.